first of all, no one could have done this better than michael. tavis: yeah, he played, yeah. >> nobody. tavis: exactly. >> nobody. and i don't even remember the circumstances, so i don't want to go there with this. tavis: no, i'm only raising that because you didn't do the gordon gekko character but you did do this one. what made you want to do this particular character? that's the only thing i wanted to ask you about that, not about "wall street." >> it came out of nowhere, the script, and it was actually given to me before i got on a plane. i was in l.a., and very rare that i come to l.a. i live in new york. i read it on the plane and was kind of floored by the quality of the writing, and not just as a movie, but how it understood people. ultimately, the framework and the fabric of the reality of this movie is the financial world and power and money, but you can't really sustain a movie about that. it has to be about people and their relationships and how the choices people make resonate through every aspect of their lives and relationships. so